January 19, 2001
Issue #30

EXTREME Q&A
by Jason Meuller

 THE ANDRO SPRAY CHALLENGE

I’m sure all of you are aware the Ergopharm, manufacturer of Andro Spray, is a sponsor of Anabolic Extreme.  In a recent discussion with Pat Arnold, I asked why he wasn’t promoting his product more forcefully, given that it’s superior to the other brand on the market, and everyone seems to rave about “the other brand.”  Fortunately, Pat is not the type of individual to go around comparing his product to significant amounts of real steroids.  Unfortunately, this has hurt his sales, since their seems to be a large contingent of people reading web pages such as this that seem all too ready to believe some huckster’s latest line of bullshit.

So, what’s an ethical company gonna do?  Sit around and get trampled by the competition because you won’t stoop to their level?  Sure, that’s one choice.  However, there’s another way to go about this.  I proposed an idea to Pat that, to his credit, he immediately jumped all over.  Let it never be said that Pat Arnold isn’t ballsy, because if I were in his shoes, I don’t know if I would have accepted my proposal.

My idea is simple.  We take 5 subjects and place them on Andro Spray for a period of 4 weeks.  At the end of those 4 weeks, we print the results from all 5 subjects, whether they be good, bad, or indifferent.  We’ll get to see before and after pictures of all 5 subjects, and hear their own words on the effectiveness of the product.  No fudging of results, no airbrushing pictures.  Basically, a no bullshit test.  The Blonde Myth will be one of our test subjects, and those of you that know TBM can verify that he’s as straight a shooter as you’re going to find. 

So, what do I need from you guys?  Test subjects!!  I’ve already got 3 people picked out, but I need two more.  Here’s my problem. I can’t just use anybody for the test, they’ve got to meet a few simple criteria. 

These are:

1. All potential candidates must have been natural for at least a year prior to the test.

2. All potential candidates must have been actively weight training at least a year prior to the test.

3. All potential candidates must not deviate from their normal weight training routine or diet during the 4 week period of the test

4. All potential candidates must provide a “before” picture and an “after” picture with proof (by holding a dated publication in their hand) that each was taken immediately before and immediately after the 4 week test period.

All 5 subjects will have their commentary and pictures appear on the AE website.  Quite frankly, I’ve never heard of a supplement company going out on a limb like this, willing to announce a test like this before they know the results.  I think it speaks well of a man like Pat Arnold that he has enough integrity that he’s allowing me to conduct such a test using one of his products.  It also tells me that he must be pretty damn sure it works, cause no one likes to eat crow.  You can volunteer for the 4-week test by emailing me at Jason@anabolicextreme.com.  Hurry up people, I want to get this thing off the ground as quickly as possible, and like I said, I’ve only got two slots left open.  I look forward to hearing from you. 

WHAT KIND OF PROTEIN ON A KETOGENIC DIET?

Question: First of all, thanks for an absolutely excellent website. I live in Brazil, and, as you surely know, we have an vast array of drugs available...through some research, I even managed to get DNP, from Sigma-Aldrich, but I didn't like it...sweated a lot, felt like shit, and

lost no bodyfat at all...to me, the best way to loose bodyfat is modified ketogenic diets...I feel energetic all day, have a lot of strength and even gain lean mass, and visibly lose a lot of bodyfat. And, in the weekends, I eat the goodies I cannot eat during the week...

My question is simple: I work out first thing in the morning, and my post workout meal is a protein shake. I eat only whey protein, with no fat at all...Am I getting off-track by doing this? Should I add fat to it, to "fit" in the structure of the diet? I'm wondering this because of the "window of opportunity" opened after training...the ratio of nutrients during each day is respected, but I'm still curious...

PS - Just in case, if you have any questions about the stuff sold in Brazil, be my guest to ask...

Answer: I’ve stated this many times before, and I’ll say it again.  Although whey is a great protein, it’s undeserving of the stellar reputation it’s received in bodybuilding circles.  Why?  Quite simply, it is digested too quickly.  Studies have shown that there are other proteins that are more effective at building muscle than whey, simply because they are digested much more slowly in the body. 

Whey has earned the title of King of All Proteins because of its incredibly high Biological Value of 104.  However, that incredibly high BV doesn’t mean a hill of beans unless you want to go around consuming whey protein every 90 minutes.  And quite frankly, please don’t move near me if you do, since the amount of gastric distress you’re going to experience will be enough to puke a buzzard off a gut wagon. 

If I were in your shoes (and thank God I’m not, I can’t stand ketogenic diets!)  I’d be adding two things to my post-workout shake.  Number one is casein.  Although casein only has a BV of 77, it’s been proven to be more effective than whey in building muscle tissue, simply because it has a slower rate of absorption.  Number two is MCT’s.  Adding a tablespoon of MCT oil to your post workout shake will further slow the rate at which these proteins are absorbed, and allow you to fully take advantage of your nutritional window of opportunity.

Now about those Brazilian items….

THAT HORRIBLE NFL PLAYER….AGAIN!

Question: I really appreciated the information you provided for me about Winstrol.  I picked it up the day you e-mailed me back.  Thanks to your quick response, I didn't take it, which saved me from a positive drug test, and possibly losing my job in the NFL.  Thanks for taking your time to help me.  I have decided to take your instruction and go with suspension.  I was a little confused on how long to take it before being tested.  I am currently taking 1.5 cc's of 100 every other day.  I expect to be drug tested around the first or second week in March.  If I understood you correctly, I can stay on this dose until the end of this month and then cut back to 1cc twice a week the first two weeks in Feb.

(Two weeks before drug test).  I can stay on it that close to testing time?  Then the remaining two weeks before testing, Take 5,000 IU's of HCG every three days, and 100 mg of clomid every day until I am tested? HCG and Clomid are not banned substances? And they will bring my test ratio down in time to pass?  Sorry to bother you with this, but you impressed me with your first response, and I just want to make sure I understand you correctly.  It's hard to find good advice when you are a man in my position, with so much to lose.  I appreciate your help, and your time spent giving it to me. I case it may help.  I am a 185 pound receiver.

Answer:  Yep, it’s a good thing you didn’t use the Winstrol, as it has an embarrassing way of showing up on a drug test.  Just ask Ben Johnson or Shawn Ray, both of whom were caught with stanazolol metabolites in their urine. 

Ok, if you carefully read my last post, you’ll see that I recommended switching to a short acting testosterone preparation about two months out, and using only 200 mg a week the fourth and third week out from your drug test.  Two weeks prior to your test, you’re using HCG followed by clomid, both of which are probably banned by the NFL, but neither of which are detectable. 

So, why the HCG and clomid?  Remember, since testosterone is already present in your system normally, they can’t simply test your urine and say, “Aha!  Testosterone metabolites, you’re busted!”.  The way an athlete is tested for use of testosterone is by measuring their ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone.  Now, in a normal male, testosterone is produced on an equal basis with epitestosterone, and the ratio is 1:1.  However, through a variety of legal maneuverings and court battles, athletes have managed to get the threshold of a positive pushed all the way to a 6:1 ratio.  While this is completely ludicrous, no natural athlete would ever a ratio that out of whack, look at it as a gift.  A gift which will allow you to pursue football with renewed strength and vigor. 

The following protocol is from Issue #22, November 25 in the Extreme Q&A.  Follow this exactly and you won’t have any problems:

“Post cycle, I’d recommend three weeks use of HCG, consisting of two 5,000 IU injections per week. HCG produces a biphasic response of testosterone elevation, an initial peak in plasma testosterone levels is seen about two hours after injection, followed by a second peak 48-96 hours later. Because of this, athletes should inject HCG every three days. Clomid should be used at 100 mg per day during and 1 week after this period to ensure normal testosterone production after use of HCG.”

Two weeks out, you start the HCG.  Continue the HCG for one week after drug testing begins.  Then switch to the clomid.  Read the entire article in the aforementioned issue for an explanation as to why. 

Hey, do I get some kind of jersey or something for this?  Please tell me you play for either the Giants or Ravens.  Superbowl tickets can be submitted to….

HOLY SHIT!  A GRAM A WEEK!!

Question: I was just reading your Q&A page and let me get this straight, for a first cycle I should use 1000 mg of sus instead of 500???????? HOLY SHIT MAN, I’m concerned with breaking plateaus here cause it’s always been so easy for me to build back what was once there.  Remember, I’m 161 and want to be 200 tops and I don’t compete, and don’t have any intentions of doing it. What do you think?

Answer:  Before I answer this question, I think I should clarify my position on anabolic steroids.  I believe that for any purpose other than hormone replacement, steroids are inherently unhealthy.  Regardless of this individuals desire, or lack thereof, to compete, he will still have to use steroids in a fashion that will have a negative impact on his health, if only for a short period of time. 

Having said that, my philosophy is to achieve your goals as expediently as possible.  The author of the above email is lucky.  If he hits 200 lbs, he’s happy, game over.  Sure he could take the approach that 1000 mg of sustanon a week is simply too crazy, and stick with 500 mg per week.  Why?  The author himself admits that it’s very easy for him to build back up to a level of developments he’s already achieved.  I would add something to that.  It’s much easier to maintain a given level of development than it is to build it in the first place. 

So why is 1 gm a week crazy, but 500 is not?  Natural testosterone production will cease at both doses.  Hair loss, gyncomastia, acne, and testicular atrophy will be a problem at both doses.  Admittedly, the risk of incurring these side effects is increased at the higher dose, but that’s why we spend so much time discussing accessory drugs here on AE.  If you’re getting acne, see a dermatologist.  Have plenty of clomid on hand to prevent gyno.  Take proscar and minoxidil if you’re worried about your hair.  And take HCG periodically to keep your nuts from becoming chick-peas.

Consider yourself lucky friend.  Through proper training, nutrition, supplementation, and drug use, you’ll be weighing 200 lbs in no time at all.  And after that, the amount of drugs you’ll need to maintain your condition will be negligible.  Keep us informed of your progress and good luck. 

WHAT’S THE BEST WAY TO USE FINAPLIX?

Question: Your magazine (and others) have had articles that refer to "Finaplix Kits", to dissolve and filter the pellets into an injectable solution.  Could you please list any known suppliers of these kits?  Also, could the pellets be dissolved in one of the Pro-hormone Sprays, such as Ergopharm's Andro Spray, and applied to the skin for transdermal absorption?  If so, what percentage (in your opinion) of the tren would be absorbed?  If the transdermal absorption rate could be enhanced somehow to be anywhere near 50%, it would be still be a cost effective and much safer option for administering this product.  Welcome your comments.

[EDITORS NOTE: Again, I went straight to the guru himself on this one, and Pat Arnold fields the question.  Let it never be said that Pat doesn’t tell it straight, even when doing so doesn’t improve his position.]

Answer: Now I have mixed feelings about everyone knowing how to use fina easily cuz I don't want it to become harder to get, but here goes anyway. My opinion on the kits is that they are a needless step.  The TA will dissolve from the pellets directly into hot vegetable oil (with or without benzyl alcohol), as long as there is sufficient stirring/agitation.

 It’s easier if the pellets are crushed into a powder, but even straight they will eventually dissolve.  It takes a couple of hours and the oil should probably not be heated higher than the boiling point of water (a container of the pellets/oil placed in a steamer would therefore work well).  The TA will dissolve into the oil, and the excipients (binders etc) will be suspended.  If you let it cool and sit then the binders will settle to the bottom and the clear oil on top will be suitable for injection.

The TA can be dissolved into DMSO, or Andro Spray, or alcohol etc. and applied transdermally as an option.  Another option is just to crush them and eat them.  Believe it or not, trenbolone is very orally active and is excreted as a conjugate of either unchanged trenbolone or the 17-epimer of trenbolone (meaning it is very resistant to metabolic

inactivation).  Hey, it’s all in the scientific literature if you do not believe me.  The only problem is that the half life is might not be very long, so you might have to pop the stuff 4 times a day.  But the total absorption into the body will be higher taking it orally than taking it transdermally so it might be worth it.  The injectable is still best of course.

[EDITORS NOTE: What?  Taking trenbolone orally actually works?  I have got to start reading something more than comic books my friends, as this is a first for me.  Since I’m sure this is going to cause some major debate on the boards, I’ll ask Pat for some scientific references.  And for those of you that are still hell-bent on buying a kit, I believe you can find the information you’re looking for in one of the earliest issues of AE in an article dealing with cattle implants.  Happy trails.]

Please submit your questions to Jason Meuller via his email address, Jason@anabolicextreme.com.